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| So how strong is piccolo as to right now?; How much stronger is piccolo compared to his cell games self? | |
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| Saiyan36 | Dec 21 2017, 12:41 AM Post #76 |
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Yes. You could be right about the Whis-training. I just wanted to point out every training, every fight matters. Back in the days in the Namek Arc, rememeber the gains he made just by the gravitation training alone, that was insane. It's just ... even taken your TOP Base estimation into account ... Everytime he needs to shift to SSJ1 or more, even with the retcon that makes the Saiyan girls, Piccolo, everyone who make him transform apart from Blue, basically beyond our imagination strong for DBZ-standards. What are they going to come up with when UI gets the norm? Will Piccolo get UI as well? That's pretty ridiculous at this point. But, i guess, just like the retcon, better than nothing at all. |
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| superperfectnerd | Dec 21 2017, 01:24 AM Post #77 |
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18, Piccolo, Cabba and Caulifla are still weaker than Super Boo for me but perhaps much stronger than Kid Boo, which is still ridiculous but it isn't beyond god level Goku at least. As for the Namek saga power ups, well that was the first time a saiyan had put themselves up against Freeza's elite forces and the first time one had trained in 100Gs, the astronomical boosts of that saga don't continue at that level throughout as far as I'm concerned, I mean look at that arc's transformations for one. Goku was able to amp his power 20 fold with kaioken and then 50 fold with ssj, after that the minimum boosts of assj, ssj2 and ssj3 make a massive difference because they can't just get twice as strong from a zenkai. ssj2 couldn't be a big deal with a two times boost if they can just get 80 times stronger from a zenkai. Edited by superperfectnerd, Dec 21 2017, 01:26 AM.
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Dec 21 2017, 01:30 AM Post #78 |
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Well, with how Super handled the build up to the Tournament of Power, we can't really know. We know that with a Makankosappo, he seems to be stronger than Gohan, given that Gohan was going toe to toe with one of the Namekians, and the Makankosappo penetrated both of them. What we don't know is how strong Gohan is. He seems to be weaker than Golden Freeza, who's as strong as Blue Goku, but the build up to the Tournament would suggest Gohan is also Blue Goku level. All I know is that Piccolo is very very strong. |
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| Dagon | Dec 22 2017, 09:37 AM Post #79 |
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Caulifla and Kale got more of their potential awakened when fighting Goku the 2nd time(i.e. they got more hax), and were able to push Goku into using SSJ3 and then SSJG. They individually were not stronger than SSJ2 Goku but they got some teamwork that required Goku to power up to beat them. This is after Goku broke his limits and got stronger. So Caulifla and Kale are definitely far past original SSJG Goku. |
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| Amerson26 | Dec 22 2017, 04:38 PM Post #80 |
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You sound like a piccolo hater right now XD |
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| superperfectnerd | Dec 22 2017, 06:25 PM Post #81 |
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I don't have ssj2 Goku above Super Boo anymore. Piccolo referenced 'ultimate' Gohan fighting Super Boo like that was still an impressive benchmark of power. Base Goku = 1,250,000,000 Kid Boo = 43,000,000,000 Fpssj Goku = 62,500,000,000 Ssj2 Goku = 125,000,000,000 Super Boo = 162,000,000,000 Ssj3 Goku = 500,000,000,000 That's where I have it for now as both the anime and the manga are making Boo saga power now relevant by having a flashback with an 'impressive' Gohan in the Boo saga and the manga referencing Oob as a special warrior... if he has Kid Boo's potential then who the hell cares when everyone and their grandma is above Boohan? I also have Piccolo around ssj2 Goku and stronger than Cabba and Kaulifla. Edited by superperfectnerd, Dec 22 2017, 06:26 PM.
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| Amerson26 | Dec 22 2017, 07:53 PM Post #82 |
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I can see that. Some people just refuse to place piccolo mid tir |
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| Thiln | Dec 23 2017, 06:40 PM Post #83 |
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As a rule of thumb, I prefer to think of everyone in this tournament as having minimalistically surpassed Base Gohan after having trained with the Z-Sword. What appeared to be an earnest attempt at sundering the Katchin alloy proved to be futile for him. Kachi-Katchin is grossly inconsistent when it comes to structural integrity, but I think such a barometer using it as the mutual evidence piece doesn't sound unreasonable. Furthermore, like it or hate the Potafeu arc did take place. Unless the studio recants it as an example of padded fluff with no link to the canonical Super anime series, I feel it should be taken into account. Moreover, the events of it were cited in the Future Trunks arc anyway. By this point, I'm not going begrudge the characters for making enormous strides with basic training methods. You had Goku training on King Kai's for a short while and Vegeta using the RoSaT three different times throughout Super despite having allegedly acclimated to its effects back in the Cell arc. Somehow the latter provided enough benefit for Vegeta to somehow bulk up his strength several dozens of times over (a rough estimate measured by the fact that Vegeta might arguably be comparable to SSJB Goku again in the ToP, who has himself improved enough to where he could stalemate Hit in the previous arc without Kaioken x10 and is now able to endure the impact of Kunshi's energy threads with no damage incurred as an SSJB while Hit elected not to endanger himself by moving across them). |
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| Hebrew Wolfman | Dec 25 2017, 07:15 PM Post #84 |
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Added the Cell Games power levels I have for Piccolo due to the subtitle. Edited by Hebrew Wolfman, Dec 25 2017, 07:58 PM.
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